I don't mean to diminish the work done here, but I can't bring myself to use any home automation that relies on internet and 3rd party services. The whole "I can't turn off my lights/adjust my thermostat/close my garage door because the internet is down" is a cliche these days, but also reality when you use services like these.
There's a difference between core and nice to have services (eg, ability to tell you the weather), but I consider light, door, and temperature control to be "core": having a dozen separate points of failure is just bad design. You could consider voice control nice-to-have, but if it works well, I have a feeling it would move to being core. If it doesn't work well enough to be used all the time (and thus irritatingly missed when it's broken), why bother?
I'm aware of Mycroft; anyone have experience with it or alternatives?
Hi! I'm the co-founder of https://snips.ai and we build a 100% on-device Voice AI platform.
The ASR and NLU are running on a Raspberry Pi 3, and best of all it is free and we are open-sourcing it, starting with the NLU https://github.com/snipsco/snips-nlu
People seem to miss that Hue and Tradfri both have local APIs too (http and CoAP based), they work without an Internet connection. The bulbs themselves are ZHA compatible as well, you can pair them with your own controllers instead of the gateway.
You sound like an old man decrying escalators because you won’t rely on any means of transportation that requires electricity to function.... escalators without electricity are just stairs, IKEA lights controlled through google home without internet are just lightbulbs controlled by the wireless switch. Just like your google home without internet is just a wireless speaker. In all cases it’s just nice features that are super pleasant to use in practice and preople just don’t know how nice it feels to have them until the experience them for themselves.
His criticism is reasonable. There is a line between valuable criticism and pointless negativity. The latter deserves the “if you don’t like it, go away” response. The former does not. The line is fuzzy, so err on the side of leniency.
Now, if there is a flaw in the criticism, address that, not the mere fact that it is criticism.
It’s like people who jump in an a discussion about electric vehicles then filling the comments with “I won’t buy one until the range increases“. Their criticism is also legitimate.
People should simply realize the product isn’t for them.
That’s also a reasonable response and if I had a conversation about EVs with a large group of friends, I would expect one of them to make that comment. I would not expect the person with that sentiment to simply walk away rather than engage.
But everyone already knows they have limited range. You aren’t adding to the online conversation. You aren’t going to change anything.
Often in long conversations, people chime in without reading the conversation and several people make the same “observation”.
In this conversation, we know there are downsides to cloud-based voice recognition. Telling someone who built it that it’s not for you, doesn’t add any value.
The problem with this type of system is that the primary benefit is outnumbered by at least two unwanted detriments.
The primary benefit is that remote control can be effective from around the world and outer space.
This is countered by the reality that your command might get bounced off a satellite, even if you’re across the room from the device you’re controlling remotely.
The converse additional problem is that you could be standing next to a device on the north pole, and someone from antarctica could override you.
We haven’t become sophisticated enough about this level of remote control yet, to mitigate these undesirable side effects of extended range remoting via internet tunnels.
One of the most amazing things about TRÅDFRI is that it’s actually well-designed. The software is minimalistic, and designed for security by default, it’s fault-tolerant, and it’s local by default.
A massive contrast to the silicon-valley node.js on each lightbulb products, reliant on cloud servers, with analytics everywhere; or the cheap chinese unsecured lightbulbs that are just days after purchase infected with Mirai.
I agree. I also really appreciate the build quality in the remote.
I am a bit disappointed by their slowness in supporting Google Home by default - hence my project. It would be a lot better if they actually open-sourced the code for the gateway.
How's the responsiveness/latency? I have a Hue setup with the old circular bridge and can't stand how unpredictable the delay is between sending a command and the lights responding.
If you are using Home Assistant and you want a free, open-source and 100% on-device solution to build a Voice AI you can take a look at what we build at Snips https://snips.ai
You can build your Voice AI in English, French, German, and soon Japanese and Korean, with more European languages coming
It runs on a Raspberry Pi 3 and will be 100% free for makers
Perhaps I didn't search well enough, but is there a way to buy a ready-made snips device? Like I would buy an Amazon Echo?
I'd be keen to use something like Snips instead of Alexa, but I'm not too sure I have the time and energy to solder things, or even just attach wires to some connector... Or even just figure out which part to order from where... And I already have a pi3 running Home Assistant.
To me this is the biggest barrier of entry.
The 2nd one (which is the same pretty much), is convincing my wife to replace this thing[0] with this thing[1], and also preventing my 4 year old from messing with the wires...
We are working on this! You can buy any Raspberry Pi 3 and we have tutorials to show common hardware to use, but soon there will be a maker kit you can get from us too!
We recommend a Raspberry Pi 3 and a ReSpeaker2 microphone there is a list of materials you can find on this blog post, and please subscribe to our newsletter to learn about the kit
With the way voice assistants work these days (memorize these sentences, when you say them stuff will happen) along with the fact that people only use a few functions of their voice activated products, it makes a lot of sense to be able to pick and choose which commands to enable.
It also has the added benefit of being local/private/on-device.
I will definitely be using this for a project or two.
Awesome, we would love to see what you make with it, come see us on our Discord channel to talk and ask any question you have, and if you are using it in your home or to build cool interactions we would love to feature it on our site!
That's cool. I mostly wanted a quick REST API to use with IFTTT, without a ton of dependencies. Home Assistant looks interesting. Maybe I'll give it a try sometimes.
I'm currently rely on Google Home which allows me to remotely control things away from home. What are my options when I switch to Home Assistant? Can I still control things using Google Assistant? Can I still remotely control things without VPN back home?
Yea, I can access Home Assistant away from home via my web browser. I have NGINX setup which allows me to connect to Home Assistant running on my Raspberry Pi. Home Assistant is setup with password protection along with fail2ban as well.
You can also set it up with a hidden Tor address, VPN, no remote access, Apache proxy access, etc.
I also utilize Google Home & Amazon Echo Dots which are integrated into Home Assistant. LIFX & Z-Wave for lights, door sensors, motion sensors, etc.
This is super cool! To be honest, I think the easier way to do this is using the Hue Hub, which can connect to Tradfi AND integrates directly with Google Home
There's a difference between core and nice to have services (eg, ability to tell you the weather), but I consider light, door, and temperature control to be "core": having a dozen separate points of failure is just bad design. You could consider voice control nice-to-have, but if it works well, I have a feeling it would move to being core. If it doesn't work well enough to be used all the time (and thus irritatingly missed when it's broken), why bother?
I'm aware of Mycroft; anyone have experience with it or alternatives?